, it was national news. >> it was the president of the united states. >> yeah, him, too. >> it was bill clinton on your show. "morning joe." and that got the most publicity, by of way, of your entire interview with president clinton, which was very interesting. it was also all manner of politicians from across the board. from not just the president but small-town mayors to people like scott walker and paul ryan. i mean, that's really like turned it into a big story. it's like, wow, scott walker, the same person who doesn't think we need trained union teachers and firefighters really believes that we need trained union officials on the field for the nfl. it turned it into the kind of story that could not be contained by the sports page. >> paul ryan wants these guys to have exactly the same pension that he does not want anybody else to have. >> yeah. and that turns it into all kinds of fodder that really does transcend the sports world. >> i was going to sit back in chicago and say nothing because i like dave, but seriously, you guys politicizing this, it's pathetic. by the way, these refs, you